Having seen all three, I can honestly say that I don't think that this was supposed to be a trilogy, EVER. There was only supposed to be one movie, and Warner Bros begged, pleaded, and practically sold the entire Warner studio into servitude to the Wachowski Brothers to make two more movies in the vain hope that they suck some more money off of this "franchise".

It worked, but not without alienating the fans.

They should have just let it rest with #1 and the Animatrix.

On the plus side, at least they let they original creators drive the story into the ground instead of letting other directors try, say like, what they did with Batman, and totally rape that story. Can you imagine what James Cameron would have done with the Matrix universe?

i thik the biggest point was missed while people were watching the movie 1: this was the ending and not another to reloaded were the story goes deeper 2: all the big questions were answer and all the biggest questions were left to your imagination because maybe if given an answer people would hate the movie even more 3: lastly and most important it was the end why people expected to have reloaded all over again is beyond me

I didn't like Reloaded intially after I saw it, but after watching it again I appreciated it more. I did like Revolutions and I thought it was a nice ending piece. There has been so much wining about these last two movies it has started to irritate me. I thought the Brothers showed great balls and really gave us a "Adult" SciFi story to chew on. So what if everything doesn't have a clear cut answer -- how many things in life has absolute answers? I can't wait what the Wachowski Brothers have for us next.

I honestly belive revolutions was a very good movie, and complaining that it was set to much in the real world is just dumb, if you had a big machine army attacking the last surving human city would you be in the matrix?? No you wouldnt and so you fight with '100's of humans in giant robot suits fighting off countless octopus robots' as scott finely put it. Maurice as far as im led to believe the Matrix was always ment to be a Trilogy and Revolutions was the end of the 2nd film. So theres one more??? I believe that there is ment to be, weither it'l happen or not is up to the Wachowski Brothers. The ending was finely put aswell, we have been giving the choice of is neo dead or is neo alive, i belive he's alive for reasons that would take to long to explain but feel free to e-mail me, while others do not believe as i believe.

LOOK

revolutions is NOT good because it hardly referred to any of the complicated but extremely important (or so we thought) dialogue in the second movie, which conveyed the story extremely well

i'm with scott. sick to the stomach.

Scott:

I've read your theories and opinions on the Matrix Things. I have to recognize that I found it quite interesting. I think this dissilusion we felt, somehow, someway is our own fault. Our expectations were beyond the unbearable. Simply put it, they were overwhelming. Not even the WB nor John Gaeta can beat our over hiper hyped previous constructions of our minds about the Matrix sequels. It is quite simple to me know. One side I had Matrixes sequels life on the other my heavy weight expectations. It was a K.O. Period.

Is it W Brothers fault? Is it John Gaeta, or Joel Silver or Warner Brothers fault? I would like to answer that one by saying simply NOT it weren't their fault.

I'm not flaming you, I'm just simply saying it was our own unbeateble expectations and theories what ruined the best trilogy ever. . .

I disagree with Zero Cool here, not only on the principle that he's taken the nickname of a character from 'Hackers', but also because he's ignoring the fact the fact the last two Matrix movies are so plainly rushed, and poorly made that it is not the fan's fault for them sucking.

All of the things that made #1 a great film were missing from the next two. I went in with an open mind, willing to let the Wachowski Bros take me on whatever wild ride they had in mind. #2 was alright, but I think missed the mark on some things. #3? Come on. Boo.

Neo has all of his powers just jump into the real world? How? No, really. How? Agent Smith can infect real people? What is that? Seriously? And basically since when did the Matrix stop being about "We're going to free the people in the Matrix", which seemed to be the thrust of #1, and turn into, it's all about Zion? The fact is, the Wachowski Brothers never let the story mature before they ran with it and took it Warner Bros. or any one else and so when they started making movies it wasn't ready, so the whole thing felt rushed.

It was crap. Crash Override, I'm glad you liked it the whole train wreck, but like Highlander, and several other stories, I'll stick with the first in the trilogy.

THANK YOU SCOTT MANNING!!!!!

Finally someone else who saw Revolutions for the lame disappointment it was. Sure, any sequel or trilogy is bound to be less spectacular than the original, but Revolutions was off the scale in terms of its lameness.

As Maurice points out, the second two movies do seem rushed. I must admit I've gained a greater appreciation for Reloaded (especially the special affects and the whole Architect scene) after watching it several times, but no matter how many times I watch Revolutions I am sickened at the lack of finality, effects, and plot development. I mean a child could have come up with a better ending and I don't say that because I had great expectations for Revolutions, but I did expect questions from M1 and M2 to be answered.

If anything it raised more questions from essential questions like "How does Neo get in the train-station after going into a coma in Reloaded?" (Even Merv ask this question) to small details like "How did Neo get plugged back into the Matrix after he was laying in the coma on the medical table? Did Morpheus carry him over to he chair and plug him in?" Furthermore, how did Smith get into Bane in the real world (if the real world is real could that happen?)

All in all, Revolutions sucked. The W Brothers missed the opportunity here to finish what they made us think about in the original...what if our reality isn't real. Somehow, the trilogy became about the underground hot ethnic people who somehow have managed to make remarkable machines, weapons, and ships to fend off an onslaught of millions of squid machine in a last attempt to reach a truce. Oh..and by the way the billions of people still plugged in who are living in a dream world...what about them?

The Matrix (as I see it and not necessarily as the Brothers intended it) was a story about freeing humanity from a cyber bondage and it wasn't just about a couple thousand underground people and their efforts to save their city. A huge oppurtunity was missed here.

The Matrix is the one....and only.

I have to agree that the movie trilogy took steps down with each of the sequels. The first movie brought us into a whole new world, stimulated our mind and opened a door to many questions, possibilities.

The second, though not as intriguing as the first, through some very interesting, confusing, and stimulating dialogues wet our appetites for some answer to the questions and philosophy of the movies, while furthering the plot of the conflict between man and machine, freedom, etc.. (Looking back, since Revolutions didn't fulfill and follow through with where Reloaded seemed to be going, at least in many ways; Reloaded now seems a bit more tarnished as well.)

Revolutions didn't follow through with many answers, possibly because it couldn't without contradicting itself, or weaving an even more confusing web. It is easier to sound profound and lead to questions of a complex nature (and thus stimulate interest), than to answer them in a cohesive way that stays within the previous perimeters of the movie and blends them into a satisfactory whole. After all, the brothers are movie makers, and their intent wasn't to teach a pure philosophy. Understanding that though doesn't make the movie better for me. It wasn't bad............it just wasn't great like the first. It was mediocre.

It is hard for a trilogy to keep up the quality all the way through without a let down. That is why Peter Jackson is all the more to be praised for Lord of the Rings. But that is another story.

It's absolutely amazing. The fact that the same people who made The Matrix and Reloaded could do something like Revolutions. I too wish I never saw it.

I personally think that Matrix Revolutions is a horrid movie and that is ruined the entire Matrix Trilogy, even though Matrix Reloaded wasn't so grand either, it was a horrid ending which i was looking for alot more. I would say more but i can't because the movie was too pathetic and it ruined my passion for the Matrix series.

I Really Am Dissapointed In You All. You All Call Yourself Matrix Fan'z >?< My first argument would be that how and why do expect these movies to answer every friggin' questions. Whats the point in answerin all the question's . obviously u never have seen a kubrick movie. or read kafka !!! i personally would have felt it as an insult to our level of intellect if the brother's answered all the question's . I Loved the movie and it was everything i expected maybe better!!!

Baudrillard,
You're a dumbass. If you'd actually formatted your comment so that everyone could read it, that'd be one thing, but given the fact that you didn't, and you replaced your 's' with a 'z' shows how lame you truly are.

To reply, I've seen every Kubrick film and probably read a ton more Kafka then you have, in addition to a bunch of Sartre, Beckett, and Camus. Include a ton of other materials you've never heard about in your 10th grade English class (how's that going for you right now?), and it still points a giant neon sign that proclaims with ernest certainity: THE MOVIE SUCKED.

I hear when it came out, Sartre chuckled in his grave and said "See, this proves that nothing matters". Camus agreed. Now, get off the web junior, you have homework to do.

Where do we begin with the ending. Its crap. Look at the first matrix movie and the animatrix short "the Second Renaissance". They were a forshadow that the final movie, the final end to the trilogy would be this ultimate triumph or victory that would overturn the end to "Return of the Jedi". We would expect to see this great Biblical like exodus and freedom from the Machine rule and that the Machine empire will fall and be defeated like a bad habit...but what do we get instead? We get "Say, I know you enslaved our people and destroyed the world as we know it, but I tell you what; how about a truce so that we humans can continue living on our knees?" WTF??? We get a stinking Peace??? Did they run out of money or something. Geez, the whole 1st movie was about freeing all humankind and the demonizing of the Machines as our enemy but then we end up having cups of tea with them. This was horrible.

And yes one of the above posts is right; the ending does leave 1000 open ends, unaswered questions, and no true ending at all!!! Its all just a dang continuation!

there will be another sequel. first off the wachowski bros. said reloaded and revolutions is 1 movie split into 2 parts and the ending to revolutions hints towards another sequel when the little girl asks the oracle if they will ever see neo again and she says i suspect so someday. the only thing i liked about revolutions was where neo goes to the machine world and where he fights agent oracle. lol i had to put that. but from beginning to fight time it sucked ass!

i hope they do make another sequel hopefully it will be better

I THOUGHT NEO WAS DEAD SEXY.I AM A GUY.i WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN HIS PANTS.DEAD SEXY.I AM SO IN LOVE.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS PORN

NEOS A HORNY BITCH

MAN HUNTER IS AS QUEER AS A THE PEOPLE AT THE GALLEY

WHY? WHY? DEAR GOD, WHY MUST ALL THE MARTIX MOVIES MAKE NO SENSE?

Oh dear, I seem to have walked into a gay bar...I'm outta here.

You people obviously haven't seen, or understoof the move. It makes sense if you people whould actually pay attention to it, especially in the first one, they talk about zion, and stuff

it does make sense you freakin newbs

Dear Joe Mama
omg, they like actually, like, talk about zion and stuff. like...
oh
my
god
now, it's so totally clear...

the third movie still sucked dick.

the first Matrix had SQUAT to do with Zion, except for the fact that dozer and tank were from there. It was about saving the people in the Matrix, rescuing them from slavery to machines. Which is why Neo says at the end "I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see". Huh, funny how he doesn't say, "I''m going to kick your ass so Zion lives forever"

maybe you need to go back and watch the move[sic] so you can understoof[sic] it more, "and stuff" [sic].

When i watch a film, i like it if it makes me think about things, makes me interested, makes me satisfied by the end of it as a job well done. matrix rev certainly made me think a hell of a lot, but i was actually very please with myself cos i managed to make it through til just before the last 10 minutes before i completely lost all understanding.

the film's good, cos it DOES make you think about the whole trilogy in lots of different ways - i'm a big fan of LOTR, but how many ways can u take that? hobbits, good n evil, if you twist it enough maybe even gay porn - but the matrix has all sorts, the ultra modern and the ultra ancient fused together into this huge feast of philosophy. there's an insane amount of thought gone into it and an even more insane amount got out - there's theories of mathematical chemical formulae with Smith and Neo needing each other as an equilibrium, and the unbalance of that when smith coats over neo cancelling HIMSELF out... there's theories of all of humanity and its little doings being mere playthings to God and the Devil (The Oracle and the Architect - god has to be a mother, dogma was right). remember the aweinspiring splendour and incomprehensibly painful irony of when Trinity sees the sky in the 3rd film - do humans really deserve the world, look how beautiful the world could be and look what the humans have done to it.

sure there were things which didnt pan out in the long run, but these films are the kind which cost billions to make and will never be complete. when you are making the world, there's always going to be a few loose ends hanging off which dont really work out. look at france.

i beg of you, give the films a chance if you look through how it is on the surface you'll see - it's not the spoon that bends.

PS and i really like the big guns in the battle, that was cooool it was like ratatata booooowshhhh ok i'm losing my mystique so i'll shut up again

A need for Disgust-ion

The Architect of the Matrix must have been on vacation or something when wacked Wachowskis made revolutions, (The Matrix Story architect of course) so when he got back and realized Wachowskis "Smith" went overboard, he said "oops, I have to re-program everybody including Neo. Oh yeah and... the Oracle as well. What the hell, It's worth it."
And the True blue matrix fans, shoot, they'll lie to save face. Hmmm, do I smell TV series coming up? Of course! No producer in his right mind will stink so bad in the last episode of a trilogy. It can't possibly be over, it would mean the end of an industry. So, are the architects and the Wachowskis really that dumb?... Can a poor man beg his way to riches? In actuality, all, (not some) Matrix fans will beg for more to justify their acceptance of something as horrible as "Revolutions." Am I saying that Wachowskis purposly made Rev. horrible? Don't think they believed it would be that bad, but I'm sure they and the architects felt "all the better." Personally, I am disgusted by Hollywoods barbaric hold on the audience, but Matrix could have been something different if it wanted to be. If the Matrix actually ended well with that twist that sent chills down our spines the way the first movie did, then it would be... truly over, cash flow and everything. And there you have it, the true web of the Matrix, greed, greed and more greed. That is the horror of it. Can someone pleeeze wake me up? This is just not real anymore! Anyone seen a white bunny with a red pill?

I hope a few people read this comment.

All i can say is that the third matrix genuinely had emotional effect on me, in a simaler way that Donnie Darko captured my mind for a long time.

I think reloaded was poor, but revolutions made up for it in every way.

How can anyone complain, it had all the answers, all the great storylines and all the action and captivating adventure of any film prior to it.

Everyone was expecting neo to fly out of the sunset at the end?

i know i was, but to be honest... leaving it at revolutions may have the impact that the directors intended, however, it is left wide open for a sequel.

If there was a hundred things i could control as a god it would be these.

1. See the original matrix again with no recollection of the sequels, and no idea what it was going to be like.
2.Put a sequel to revolutions into development.
3.allow everyone to see the films from the same perspective as me, as i was genuinely touched by them.

Thanks :)

I respect the fact that everyone has different opinions but Donnie Darko and revolutions are not in the same class, i agree the special effects were good, but film companies seem to spend more time creating great effects rather than creating great scripts.

star wars is a good example, the old one were good and i personally dont rate the new ones.

i did nt see revolutions at the pictures but i bought it on DVD, v disapointed with it i wanted it to be good.

D

ok i'll say it again

MATRIX REVOLUTIONS = JESUS

When i watch a film, i like it if it makes me think about things, makes me interested, makes me satisfied by the end of it as a job well done. matrix rev certainly made me think a hell of a lot, but i was actually very please with myself cos i managed to make it through til just before the last 10 minutes before i completely lost all understanding.

the film's good, cos it DOES make you think about the whole trilogy in lots of different ways - i'm a big fan of LOTR, but how many ways can u take that? hobbits, good n evil, if you twist it enough maybe even gay porn - but the matrix has all sorts, the ultra modern and the ultra ancient fused together into this huge feast of philosophy. there's an insane amount of thought gone into it and an even more insane amount got out - there's theories of mathematical chemical formulae with Smith and Neo needing each other as an equilibrium, and the unbalance of that when smith coats over neo cancelling HIMSELF out... there's theories of all of humanity and its little doings being mere playthings to God and the Devil (The Oracle and the Architect - god has to be a mother, dogma was right). remember the aweinspiring splendour and incomprehensibly painful irony of when Trinity sees the sky in the 3rd film - do humans really deserve the world, look how beautiful the world could be and look what the humans have done to it.

sure there were things which didnt pan out in the long run, but these films are the kind which cost billions to make and will never be complete. when you are making the world, there's always going to be a few loose ends hanging off which dont really work out. look at france.

i beg of you, give the films a chance if you look through how it is on the surface you'll see - it's not the spoon that bends.

PS and i really like the big guns in the battle, that was cooool it was like ratatata booooowshhhh ok i'm losing my mystique so i'll shut up again

I don't think this movie was terible, like some people think, though I do think the brothers could have done things a little differently. Who ever it was who said that there was too much time spent outside of the matrix, weel I agree with he/she. There should of been a lot more inside of the matrix as it's what the trilogy is renown for. I think tat the only explanation for the grandios of the whole thing, like the battle for zion or the super burly brawl, was simply because the bros were trying to surpass their previous work once again. I think most people would have equally or more disappointed than they are now if the effects were inferior to those of the other movies. (I personally thought that lobby scene at the beginning was cool). As for the ending, well, I would have to say that's all a matter of taste. Some people liked it some people don't. Finally, I think people should give the brothers some credit. Think back. Over the past 25 years there have only been a handfull of trully epic series. I think it's good that the bros tried (and succeeded if you ask me) to make a good trilogy to go with all the others. If I still havent convinced you that the matrix trilogy, then there is nothing I can really do about that. Look at it this way: The effects were cool right? And the story, to some people, was where it lacked. Well, now that the brothers have "opened the door", I'm sure other directors will walk through it, and make a movie that will compensate the matrix(for revolutions anyway). But at least they opened the door, so give the guys a little credit. And enough of this crap about one movie ruining an entire trilogy. That's just foolish.

i liked the movie better than matrix reloaded but not better than the oringinal matrix.the effects were awesome.i like that 16 year old punk who battles with the robot guys he's cool.have any of you guys seen freddy vs. jason if you have you should go to the freddy vs. jason forum a little more above.join me and my pals chuky and mystical.and then there's darkkibut he hasn't said anything for a while.any way there might be a matrix 4.did any body else notice those sick comments of HUNTER AND DILLON.

bonzer i fully agree with you that ppl should have their own opinions I just found it odd that they created one really good film (matrix) then continued to create 2 lesser films.

eg I never got my head around why in Reloaded neo fights hundreds of people (the pole fight scene) then just flys off like superman, yes it looks great but why ?

I just think the plots could have been much better

D

I made a mistake by not seeing Rev. in the theatres. I listened to the hype of how bad it was and recently bought it the other day on DVD simply to conclude my Matrix DVD collection. I didn't really know what to expect from this film since the majority of people I talked to hated it. I'm usually the type of person that doesn't listen to hype or what critics have to say and I failed miserably on this one. I really wish I would have seen it in the theatre. I truly enjoyed this movie and thought it a fitting end to a great trilogy. I think people were disappointed with it as it ends not with a typical hollywood ending. There are sacrifices made. It also ends without all of the questions being answered, but in my opinion that doesn't make it a bad film. There is alot of action in the third and final act and the story develops at a good pace and I was captivated the entire time. I also think the name (Revolutions) has more than the standard meaning. In Reloaded, we learn that this is the 6th time that "The one" has gone through this maze, and failed everytime. If in fact this is true, the name "Revolutions" means that there will be yet another cycle and we learn that every begining has an end, but this ending is simply the begining. Although this may be the case, I don't see another sequel being made nor do I see it being franchised into a TV series. However, I will be checking out the MMORPG game when it comes out. One last thing I must say is that I was more disappointed with the new Star Wars movies than I was by the two Matrix sequels. To me, one of the greatest scenes in REV. was when the ship Trin was piloting with Neo climbs above the clouds and she sees what the world truly could be like. To me this scene represents why it's all worth living/dying for if only for that little glimpse or moment of what life could be/should be. It's a triliogy about life, choices, love, the human spirit, trust and how all this makes it worthwhile.
I think it is an epic journey of birth (The Matrix), Life (Reloaded) and Death (Revolutions).

I agree with DR.Kilmore on the fact that Revolutions had a non typical Hollywood ending. People are acustomed to having the heros living peacefull lives hapilly ever after, therefore thought that Neo and Trinity dying made the movie bad. I think that people should face the reality, that in situations like these( not this far fetched, but you know what I mean) not everyone lives, and as Mr. Kilmore put it, sacrifices need to be made.

Rideout, what have you been smoking? Chinatown, The Passion, The Alamo, The Last Samurai, ANY movie about the Civil War that focuses on the South, the freaking Bad News Bears, they all end on a down note, with the hero/heroes not winning at the end.

Jesus people, have you not been paying attention to Hollywood? It's a classic move to have a movie end with the hero defeated or dead. They've been doing that forever. The Wachowski Brothers did not invent cinema. STOP THE WORSHIP and open your eyes folks.

reloaded sucked the fight secnes were cool but wway to long.and morphes gives his speech for the next 20 mins. it's just the crowd screaming and neo and trinitey making out.

Maurice, that's a litle harsh man. I mean yes those were good movies, I will admit, but before u critisize me, remember that even though there were alot of good movies, there is a bigger amount that were cliched and had very typical hollywood endings to them. And though u have seen these good movies, there are some that havent, and from first hand feedback on revolutions, I know that the non-typical ending, was a big let down, and caused them to hate the movie. But don't get me wrong, Maurice, I do agree with several of ur points, I was just trying to make mine. Peace.

WORST. ENDING. EEVVVEEERRRRR! Make the pain stop!! How can they have an ending about 'karma' and lovey-dovey peaceful floor children when the first one ended a nihlistic attack on the innocents through a lobby? CRAZY! I thought the people of Zion weren't worth saving, put a fork in them they're done.

Hey all,

First time, but I had to jump in and speak my mind.

I was completely dissapointed in the final Matrix movie.

Every flashing, blinking light or punch or kick was only to distract you from just how "God Awful" the story was....

I feel that I am a very observant and astute person, but I am at a complete loss as to what actually happened in Revolutions.

#1 - We have a race of humans that has held on to their last city and are trying to wake up their fellow humans that are imprisoned as batteries and some try to find the "ONE" who can end the whole thing.

#2 - The Matrix is a program for captive humans to keep them docile and make them accept just floating in a tank to fuel the machines.

#3 - Neo has been through this before. In fact six times the whole thing has happened. The Architect is a "master program" created by the machines to run the business of the Matrix and make it work. So, in order to keep the batteries from rejecting the program, he created the storyline that the one can save humanity and allows an ending to be reached were he informs the "One" that he is a program as well and that this is just the rebooting part of the cycle. He walks into the door and then it starts over again with the beginning of the Matrix.

#4 - Neo chose not to go through the door and instead went to Trinity and saved her.

Okay,

Here is were I feel like a moron and can't seem to get anything else out of it but a headache.

I hope the Wachowski Brothers can somehow sense my anger.

They have completely taken an epic story and made it into feces.

But,

I am optimistic. And I want to belive, so, anyone who can shed some light on this ending and would like to droan on and on about what actually happened in Revolutions, I would love to get an e-mail.

As it is, I want to specifically know why there is the "Real World" which makes up our earth and includes the city of Zion and the rest of the planet which apparently is only inhabited by machines. So, then where in the hell does this train station come about? Does it take you from the real world to the matrix? And how does this Train Guy come about? Who would write him? After watching Revolutions I wanted to take the Mirovingen (spelling) and bash his head into the Architect. And then take them both and shove them up Smith ass.

Now, before I go crazier, maybe I should relax and buy Animatrix and the Enter the Matrix video game. Will they help the story any?

Anyway,

My soapbox rant is over.

And I hope that someone can help ease my poor mind's burden with the parts of the story I am not getting.

Be well,

Woolly

Matrix - One of the best films ever made. The plot was great, and the special effects were very good, but not over-done.

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Matrix: Reloaded - A movie designed to leech every last bit of special effects possible. Sure, it looked good, but the special effects were by far over-done. Plot/story was quite poor. (In the beginning when the dance scene was shown, I could tell there was something very wrong. "Yes: In the future we all live in the core of the earth, dancing to a drum beat around magma filled pools, all the while there is a mass army of robots ready to exterminate us at any moment. Oh yeah: And we're all perfectly beautiful, are beyond excellent club-dancers, and sustain bronze tans...even though we live in the center of the earth...where there is no sun ...and we stay perfectly tanned..." <-- What's written in between the quotes is your typical nerd's dream, and that's exactly what they were trying to milk. Sadly, It worked to a certain extent too.

Matrix: Revolutions - Really dumb. One of the most terrible story-/plot-lines I've ever come across. There are some good special effects in some parts, but in certain parts they're just down-right terrible. Aweful script and acting. Some sections of the movie are just pointless, meaning they affect the plot in no way at all and seem to be just "there" for whatever reason. Worst parts of the movie that I couldn't help but laugh at: The "head-machine" turns out to be some "face" with your typical "head guy" type of deep, devilish voice; the last fight between Smith and Neo. Watch it, and you'll know what I mean. It's the same crap: Neo gets beaten--you're like "Oh no!" and we're supposed to think he's dead--he gets back up and Smith is all like "How the hell?". Yeah, I think we all knew Neo was going to win in the end when we first started watching the first Matrix.

Why the line between The Matrix and Revolutions/Reloaded? It's just too hard for me to believe that the same people who made "The Matrix" made the two sequels. Even though they did, I still don't consider the sequels worthy of actually being sequels.

You people are so sad and lame from eithan dickerson I do not have a email address so ha ha ha.

eithan I do have email address so bring it on
losers

It was interesting, but it still left some unanswered questions and the humans are still subject to the machine system. The Matrix apparently must recycle itself, with each succsessive generation being a slight improvement over the last.

Some[all?] of the humans wired into the Matrix appear to be clones? and are re-cloned over and over again, which makes sense from the machine perspective. Neo and all humans within the Matrix are locked into an almost completely deterministic feedback loop and the only true escape for the humans would be to find a way to break the cycle.

It seems that Neo keeps getting smarter with each [re]generation of the system.

The machines think in terms of logic, not emotions. The primary job of the Architect is to balance the equation; the primary job of the Oracle is to unbalance the equation. Here is a quote of the Architect & the Oracle, from the ending of "Matrix Revolutions" :

quote:
----------------------------------------------------------------The Oracle: What about the others?

The Architect: ...What others?

The Oracle: The ones that want out.

The Architect: Obviously they shall be freed.

The Oracle: I have your word?

The Architect: What do you think I am? Human?

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Agent Smith appeared to be fulfilling a job/function as the complement to Neo, that is to say, a balancing of the equation, that resets the Matrix.

Did the A.I's actually experience emotion or were they mimicking human emotions via algorithmic complexity? Were human emotions/thought patterns a type of virus, generating the integral anomalies/fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations?

Here is a quote from Matrix Revolutions:

quote:
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Smith: Wait... I've seen this. This is it, this is the end. Yes, you were laying right there, just like that, and I... I... I stand here, right here, I'm... I'm supposed to say something. I say... Everything that has a beginning has an end, Neo.

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Smith appears to remember the past brawls, or at least, the last brawl, before the previous Matrix re-setting(s).

The Architect explained that the Matrix is not without a measure of control. Clones would provide a higher level of determinacy/predictability.

Humans were a[good] source of energy, why should the machines consider them to be anything else?

It can also be argued that Neo/The One, always chooses the left door:

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Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors, the door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion, the door to your left leads back to the matrix to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth, she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

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Oracle: Well, now, ain't this a surprise.

Architect: You've played a very dangerous game.

Oracle: Change always is.

Architect: Just how long do you think this peace is going to last?

Oracle: As long as it can.

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This conversation seems to imply that the last re-setting of the Matrix is different than the previous versions, hence the "revolution".

It can also be argued that no one, including an AI program, has the ability to see the future. The Oracle's ability can thus be explained as the memory of previous Matrix versions and the ability to logically predict the future from present/past knowledge/information.

well you do have a good exsplamation for the oracle
didnt really think of it that way... GOD JOB LITLLE BUDDY!

but i think that the matrix revolutions was a good movie
you gota relise somthin here pepl
that movie is an ending and not a action fighting newly used/discoverd affects intro

this ovie was made to end The Matrix, end the fight and conclude the matrix and human races war .

think about it
this is was big movie
how many movies have and ending that give you the same feeing as the middle fighting sceens?

mabe pepl might not like endings very much, or as much as they liek the story of the journey
i didnt want neo to die or trinity because they were cool and were exciting to watch, but i knew that the matrix wasnt a happaly ever after movie and that it was a sacurfice type

to me the hole movie sybolizes the human races fight to be, and uprising of there hole existence, that a masine can not understand or know
enen the music is inter twind to give the feeling
i think of it more as a movie that is triumph in triumph and a warning to the woulrd that AI should not be persued liek all the other movies(terminater)

i wont you guys to remember the music, remember the begining music with the horns and insterments that plays during the opening of the WB icon and the music playing at the crides of teh revolusions
remember a think about wat its saying and meaning and relize wat its all about.

think about wat there fighting for and wat is sacurfise for human race
that is wat is being

check the theory 2 section for my post im under name \\//

Ok, WING, your post was moronic and muddied even further by your atrocious spelling. Repeatedly you say "think about it, the humans are fighting the machines to save themselves" or something of that ilk. Well, let's do some thinking here. Let's assume that for some reason, between matrix and reloaded the humans decide that the few thousands in zion are more important than the 6.something billion in the matrix. Assuming this, they now have one priority: stop the oncoming machine army. Well, we could fight them, but logically that is an idiotic maneuver. Logically, the best way to stop their army is cut off their power. Not only would this be easier (no direct conflict with numerically and technologically superior machines), it also MAKES FUCKING SENSE. Apparently the brothers lost all their creativity after the first movie. Oh and for the record, no the matrix was never meant to be a trilogy. In the second disk of reloaded, Laurence says "and after the matrix, when they decided to make a second and third movie, i signed up without reading the script. thats the only time ive ever done that. (laughs)" That's a direct quote from one of the actors. REVO AND RELO SUCKED ARSE. I fell in love with the first movie, but the fact is, it was never meant to be a trilogy, and animatrix is the best thing since the original.

well watever i just dont think that matrix revolutions was that bad. i dont really get wat your saying ether. taking out that mashines power supply wouldn't be easier, it would be impossible. do you think doing that would be just like turning off a kitchen switch?? plus i think that they have alot of defense for there own survival. and just getting into the mashine city gave neo a hard time, u think they would be able to hold out very long?
by the way, i would like you to check out my theorys in the theory 2 section im under the name \\//

I also have another theory about the matrix
you know when agent smith comes back and hes like i was gona get deleted but i refused and a piece of neo was copyed onto agent smiths program?
well remeber the place ware neo ends up at hes in the train station? well who was the one who was the creater of that deletion zone?? well in the matrix revolutions when morpheus and trinity and mister wong chong( the chinese guy) try to rescue neo before 12:00 they chase him and he leads them rite to the french guy. remeber. well i think he has somthing to do with agent smith.
when the oracle tells neo about the french guy, she say" what do all men with power wont, more power."

i think that agent smith was in that deletion zone with the sub way. i think the french dude gave him a secound chance to get more power. they made a deal. a deal that would end up getting them more power.

i think that the french guy tried to make a fulse deal with trintiy and morpheus at teh club. he asked for the oracles eyes in return for neo.
well geuss wat happend later. agent smith loads into the oracle and makes a copy.
well thats kinda wat the french guy wonted also.

i think you guys know wat im saying here

PS MY COMP. IS GLITCHING UP AND I THINK I POSTED TWICE ON THIS ITS MESSED UP RITE NOW SO I THINK THIS IS GONA SHOW UP TWICE.

I personally think Matrix Revolutions was a brilliant ending although some may argue that it was utter crap because it did not not give us the answers to most of our questions.I think the W brothers did that so everyone could think about what the movie means to them because as I've discovered for me the movies have many levels of understanding and for the W brothers it was more important to let us think for ourselves rather than just telling us what they think we should which was the original idea of the matrix.I think for those who thought it was crap... hey you are entitled to your opinion and I'm sad that you don't see the movie for the the philosophies it brings to the table, the vision of the W brothers to allow us to make up our own minds,the fact that life is a living contradiction and so much more.

I think that the whole series was freakin the best movies i have ever seen. 3rd movie was awesome. I dont see what everyone saw wrong with it. Mabey there wasnt as much fighting in it but i thought just the point of the movie was cool. I would love it if they made a 4th matrix cuz that series is my favorite movie.

hey
if you wont to know more about the matrix, i suggest you watch the animatrix.
it has a bunch of short animations.
there not really stories. there just, just, examples kinda.
for example, they show how this all stated. what the war with the mashines was like, and how it was fought. they show how we lost, and how the mashines were brutilized, and made an uprising.

another example, this girl is looking for her cat. she goes with some guys to look in a building that people say is "honted"
sh goes into it, and papers fly all around her, and flucuate and go into the ground and crincle and stuff.
the boys she went with start playing around, they through a glass bottle on the ground, in shatters, then comes back together, and flys back into his hand. he catches it.
they jump of the roof, and stop 5 inches from the ground on the bellys.
they do back flips, and are light as a fether.
the girl, goes and looks for her cat agien. he finds her cat by a door. the cat scratches the door. the girl opens it to see what it is that the cat sences behind that door. she opens it.
its dark, like a pit. its just a door that leads to noware. and it ecoes everything she has said that day. "wares is she?" "her kiddy kiddy" "ware is she?".
then some like, people in gas mask find her and tell her to get out.
and agent is with them. he tells teh guys in gas masks, to seal the area NOW! the next day the kids coem back adn try to do the bottle thing.
it doesnt work.

i think this can be explained as a glitch or hole in the matrix. and the agent patched it.
this is the stuff thats in the animatrix.

Excellent stuff about the Matrix.

These programs emulate as well as simulate. Merovingian covets the French language; Oracle wants Candy (it killed the actress, Gloria Foster!) - they counterfeit human emotions!

Merovingian: "I love the French language.

Neo: Why are you here?

The Oracle: Same reason. I love candy. ...

Peresephone "You love him

Trinity: Neo, I'm not afraid anymore. ...
So you see, you can't be dead. You can't be...because I love you.

Neo: Trinity. I know you can hear me. I'm never letting go. I can't. I just love you too damn much.

Councillor Harmann: I hate sleeping. I figured, I've slept the first eleven years of my life away, so now I'm just making up for it.

Neo: I suppose the most obvious question is, how can I trust you?

The Architect: Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

The Architect: While the others experienced this in a general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-à-vis: love.

my two cents! 1/22/05

p.s. what I meant to say, Scott (and other people reading this), is that your page is an excellent site for Matrix fans. Thank you. I zip around the web looking for interesting Matrix sites and will put them in a blog as a handy "directory".

The quotes I put above focused on the emotions, "Love", "Hate"
as well as hope and trust - the Wachowskis left it very open ended - a convenient excuse for some of the sloppy aspects of the what are magnificent films. But it is that intentional "open door" which has allowed for great discussion, and has made a tremendous impact on people thinking more deeply about mythology, philosophy, etc. and has enchanced the sci-fi experience. I could've done without the highway scene in "Reloaded" (imho Terminator 3 did a better chase scene - so much for Joel Silver and crew "revolutionizing" film again)
and the violence is a bit gratuitous. The dialogue is fantastic, especially Merovingian.

Anyone notice how Neo and The Terminator are so closely aligned?

Arnold only spoke about 65 words in the first flick; both actors couldn't really act in the first film (brilliant casting), they learned as they went along the way, both Keanu and Arnold are much, much better than when they did the first flicks in both trilogies. Keanu (neo or neu, almost an anagram of part of his name) emerging with acting skills he didn't possess before this experience, just as his character emerged more polished. "You turned out alright" - yeah, if you got to act next to Gloria Foster you would be able to "sample"
years of acting skill as well!

Someone please explain to me the very ending--the Orical and the Architect's conversation. The way I see it the orical used the humans to free other programs for one. If you were a program would you really want to help them destroy the matrix? No! you would cease to live. You would no longer be! I was looking for some closure. But Neo dies!? Come on! From a human's perspective nothing was really accomplished was it? I'm led to believe that this Neo was the first to bring peace. all the others failed in that attempt and zion was destroyed and only a few humans were left alive to rebuild and the process starts over and that's were it gets contradictive. If that's the case and the other Neo's failed then Agent Smith wins and destroy's the matrix and the real world. In which case there never would have been a second Neo. However, I feel the brothers were telling us all the Neo's were not ready to be the One, really. But with each new Neo, he got closer to being the One which is really stupid. Either you are or you are not the One. That's why there's been 8 of them. Pfts. ~shakes~ And yet he may still be the One? Does he die? Is he cloned and put back in a pod as a baby? In the series I forget which movie, it says there was a man born inside the machine. It has to be Neo. With that in mind after watching Revolusions for the second time, I put myself in Neo's place when the face asked him what he wanted in return if he beat Agent Smith. All the other before him, asked to be put back into the matrix? and why not. His love was dead for one. How can you ask for peace after that. Take the first Neo. He had an addittude problem. Why should he care? Or shit you mean I'm not the one? I want back in the matrix, and for any number of other reason. Again each "One" evolved, matured, what have you. He's just not ready. The Oricle kept telling him that. I really wanted to see the machine city destroyed and the clouds gone with the sun shining down upon the earth and people standing there in all its beauty, so awe struct they can't even cheer, but smile and rejoince in each other. Instead were teased by Trinity's moment in the sun. What a pitiful ending. ruined the series for me, but I can justify it. They just should of made the series with the next Neo or which ever one's suppose to really be the "One"!
Think of how many people would of committed suiced after being woke! Talk about mass hysteria! But the human race would survive and rebuild. There wouldn't be a video games for awhile, I assure you of that or any computers with advance AI until the world forgot.

Well thanks for listening anyways.

Scott, you thought the Hulk was a let down. I love it. I don't see why people didn't like it. I know some were to impatient because it took too long for him to change. Usually movies like that--you know--the super hero doesn't show enough of his alter ego and or his scenes are not long enough. Take Daredevil for instance. I liked it, but there wasn't enough alter-egoness for me. I would like to see a sequal with Typhoid Mary and not the screwed up version that was in Elektra. Mary was really scewed up in the head from child abuse and she could do alot more than how they portrayed her in Elektra, who should of stayed anyway.

Dear Catch:

Some interesting thoughts you have which I'd like to
address.

Something my roommate & I do is to look at all the
holes in the plots of various movies.

1)Matrix - harvesting humans for energy

Clearly the Machines/A.I. is/are clever and strong
enough to build a skyscraper to go above the scorched
sky and collect the sunlight that Trinity and Neo
found (that being said, there was no need for
Trinity to die the second time; why would these
experienced pilots have so much trouble at this point
in time? She had to be "deleted" for the plot's sake)

2)Deus Ex Machina: We don't need you. We need nothing.

In Hermetic philosophy (The Kybalion) Hermes
Trismegistus believes since the ALL is ALL, the
universe is totally "mental", a tangible dream in the
mind of the all, in lay man's terms. The All, or God,
has a need to create. He makes man in his own image,
or, with the ability to imagine as well.

The machines do not need the humans for energy. It is
my belief the machines need the humans for two
reasons:

1)to keep themselves entertained

2)to learn about humanity.

AUTHOR: Catch

Someone please explain to me the very ending--the
Orical and the Architect's conversation. The way I
see it the orical used the humans to free other
programs for one. If you were a program would you
really want to help them destroy the matrix? No! you
would cease to live. You would no longer be! I was
looking for some closure. But Neo dies!? Come on!
From a human's perspective nothing was really
accomplished was it? I'm led to believe that this Neo
was the first to bring peace. all the
others failed in that attempt and zion was destroyed
and only a few humans were left alive to rebuild and
the process starts over and that's were it gets
contradictive.

IT IS ALL A GAME, AS MEROVINGIAN SAYS.

THE MORE POWERFUL THE PROGRAMS - ARCHITECT,
MEROVINGIAN, ORACLE, DEUS EX MACHINA, SMITH, THE
HIGHER THE STAKES.

IT IS ALL A GAMBLING CASINO.

MEROVINGIAN CHIPS AWAY AT ORACLE'S IMAGE, THOUGH
LUSTING FOR HER SIGHT.

ARCHITECT BALANCING THE EQUATION, ORACLE UNBALANCING
THE EQUATION.

CATCH SAID:
Scott, you thought the Hulk was a let down. I love it.

HULK WASN'T TRUE TO THE COMIC BOOK. ERIC BANA WAS
GREAT, BUT THEY SHOULD'VE HAD LOU FERIGNO(spelling) as
THE HULK, not some cheap animation.

AS FOR THE MATRIX, THERE MUST BE HUMANS HIDDEN ALL
OVER THE WORLD. WHERE DOES THE MATRIX TAKE PLACE?
NEW YORK CITY?

DID THE MACHINES COVER THE EARTH LIKE A WEB OVER
CYBERSPACE? CERTAINLY HUMANS MUST BE LIVING IN A
PLACE OTHER THAN ZION.

THUS, ZION IS PROBABLY A WEB WORLD LIKE THE MATRIX.
ALWAYS WONDERED WHY PEOPLE WOULD GO INTO THE
'CONSTRUCT' WHILE IN ZION

I can tell you that i've seen all trilogy, animatrix, enter the matrix game. The gaps was filled by animatrix and matrix game.

before #1:the beginning is in the animatrix's 2. and 3. animations.
this answers the questions how they(machines) won the battles or humans cover the sky?

#2:watch the 1. animatrix animation. and start playing the game.
while playing watch the movie. you will see that the wachowsk... bros. ruined the movie for that game. the missing parts like how smith get into that bald man or how they destroy the power plant.^

#3: we understand lie beyond the lie. no one have a clue for third movie.
you may watch the animatrix rest for learning there are humans
in other places not only zion or not all machines are bad.

now my ideas:

1. i think that the place you called real world is not real world. at the end of #2 i understood that there is matrix in matrix. The superhuman abilities are on if you know that you are in matrix. and neo is the ONE who understands that better than everybody. when he understood REAL WORLD is another matrix his powers got online so he stopped the machines.

2. another theory "when you die in matrix you die in real world too." is not true totally. the very primal technology they used in ships is not let the human wake up. neo wake in first movie because the morpheus gave him the pill.it is a poison. when neo died he wake up in the second matrix. because he was online safely.humans must disconnect from matrix like the USB devices remove safely from computers.

at the end of #3 neo died i think it's because he killed by smith. this does not let him wake normally despite of he was connected with high tech. So neo and thrinity woke up at THE REAL REAL WORLD. they are gonna die again...

anyone believe the matrix world could take on star wars. an agent vs a jedi or sith. whod win?
think of smith vs vader......... opinions please.

I believe a comparison with star wars is a bit far fetched..no offence ;-)

Matrix is based on a future for the humans in a known "universe" and star wars is "in a galaxy far far away"...and there it should stay in my opinion.

my 5 cents
Mohammed

You are all stupid, the Matrix was supposed to be a trilogy, they are based on books you fools, your senseless ramblings about how you think the movies were and how big a dissapointment Revolutions was, but I do beleive that the Matrix trilogy left no dissapointments whatsoever, it answers all the questions that you could ever have, all you have to do is look hard enough. I for one beleive that the Matrix trilogy was amazing, its special effects were fantastic, and I think that the Burly Brawl (park fight) was amazing as well, maybe the effect were a bit unreal looking, but you try making a movie and making the effects of over 200 people bustling around. I beleive that if you are going to post a review on a movie, that you should atleast take the time to actually review the movie, not just put how much it bored your pathetic little mind.

I agree totally with your review. I loved the first two, reloaded blew my mind. Then revolutions left me feeling totally disappointed.